Ep. 40 – The China vs India Conundrum: Inside Apple’s Race to Exit China, with Patrick McGee, FT Correspondent and author, Apple in China
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In this episode of The Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri sits down with Patrick McGee, Financial Times San Francisco correspondent and author of Apple in China, to unpack the deeper story behind one of the most important corporate–state relationships of the 21st century. Through Apple’s journey, McGee explores how Apple became central to the US–China tech rivalry, and how its search for scale and perfection created ripple effects that reshaped global geopolitics, technology, and industry. And now, as the Apple – China relationship has become so convoluted, how Apple is trying to navigate away from China to other countries such as India. Why is Apple’s relationship with China so consequential — and what does it reveal about the future of US–China tech competition? How did Apple’s investments, training programs, and suppliers fuel the rise of Chinese tech giants like Huawei and Xiaomi? What changed under Xi Jinping, and how did Apple learn to “play politics” in a new era of state power and surveillance? Can India or Mexico realistically serve as the next major manufacturing hubs as companies seek to decouple from China? What lessons can Indian states like Tamil Nadu and Telangana learn from Chinese provinces such as Shenzhen? Tune in for an in-depth conversation on how Apple’s pursuit of efficiency and growth supercharged China’s rise, but how its deep dependence now leaves it with few exits, if at all. Subscribe and listen to the full conversation now—only on The Great Tech Game Podcast.
Ep. 39 – Drones, Rockets and Satellites: The New Asymmetry in Space, with Chris Astra, ex CTO of NASA and CEO of Astra
In this episode of The Great Tech Game, host Anirudh Suri sits down with Chris Kemp — Founder, Chairman, and CEO of Astra, and former CTO of NASA — to unpack how the commercial space race is reshaping technology, defense, and geopolitics.From drones and rockets to optical space internet, Kemp explains how a new generation of private space companies are breaking into this domain that was initially dominated by states, especially during the Cold War when the first Space Race was between the United States and the Soviet Union. Why is space becoming the ultimate geopolitical high ground? Which companies and countries are leading in this space? How cheap, mobile rocket systems are redefining military deterrence? How rapid is the shift from billion-dollar satellites to swarms of small ones? What do Astra’s Rocket 4 and propulsion business reveal about the future of scalable space manufacturing? Why optical communication (light-based data transfer) could spark a new, unjammable internet in space? Kemp also discusses his time at NASA, founding OpenStack, and how commercial satellite networks like Starlink and Planet Labs are already influencing modern conflicts — from Ukraine to beyond. The conversation traces how space tech is moving from elite national programs to a mass-produced, distributed ecosystem that could reshape both global security and the everyday internet.
Ep. 38 – How is Silicon Valley Transforming the Defence Tech Industry? With Michael Brown, Partner, Shield Capital and ex Director of Pentagon’s Defence Innovation Unit
In this episode of The Great Tech Game, host Anirudh Suri speaks with Michael Brown — Partner at Shield Capital, Visiting Scholar at Stanford’s Hoover Institution, and former Director of the Defense Innovation Unit — about the frontlines of the US–China technology competition and what the U.S. must do to stay ahead. Together they explore how China’s top-down innovation model is challenging U.S. leadership; the urgent reforms needed in R&D, budgeting, and industrial policy; how Silicon Valley and the Pentagon are reconnecting through defense tech; why allies and partners remain America’s biggest asymmetric advantage. Brown also unpacks the decline in federal R&D spending, the rise of defense-tech startups, and how conflicts like Ukraine reveal the power of commercial technology in modern warfare.
Ep. 37 – Are We Ready for Future Wars? with Peter Singer, Futurist and War Strategist, and author, The Fight for the Final Frontier
In this episode of the Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri interviews Peter Singer, a strategist at New America and a renowned futurist in national security. Singer discusses the evolving landscape of warfare, highlighting the role of new technologies such as drones, AI, and cyber capabilities. He reflects on the lessons learned from recent conflicts, such as Ukraine and Gaza, and explores the rise of private military and defence tech firms. Singer also delves into the potential for future global conflicts, the implications of emerging technologies, and the inherent vulnerabilities within autocratic systems. From multi-domain operations and cognitive warfare to the game-changing power of synthetic biology, this conversation reveals how technology, geopolitics, and global affairs are colliding to redefine the future of conflict.
Ep. 36 – Tariff Roulette: How India Can Play Trump’s Tariff Game? Prof. Jason Furman, Harvard University and former Chief US Economist under President Obama
In this episode of The Great Tech Game podcast, Professor Jason Furman — the Aetna Professor of the Practice of Economic Policy at Harvard Kennedy School and former 28th Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors under President Barack Obama — offers a rare peek behind the curtain of President Trump’s tariff strategy and their far-reaching impacts. We explore the surprising realities of who truly wins and loses in this global economic upheaval, both within the US and across the world, and why the aggregate picture might not be what you expect.Professor Furman critically examines India’s unique and challenging position in this tariff landscape, facing a potentially “unfair” deal with a projected 50% tariff rate. Could this be India’s pivotal “1991 moment” for significant domestic reforms? What strategic choices lie ahead for its booming economy? The discussion also delves into: • Why countries have largely opted for “personalistic” bilateral deals rather than forming a united front against US tariffs, and what this reveals about global negotiation dynamics. • The one country that has successfully pushed back against US tariffs, and the unique leverage that allowed it to do so. • The potential long-term shifts in global trade patterns and whether the “most favored nation” principle is truly a thing of the past. • The profound implications of AI for global productivity and the future of jobs. Will AI be a “massively positive” force, and how might its benefits be distributed across different nations? • The critical role of immigration in fuelling the US tech and AI industries, and why its future is a key concern. Professor Furman also provides candid rapid-fire answers on pressing questions like whether Trump’s trade war protects American jobs (his answer may surprise you!) and who ultimately pays the price for high tariffs, and whether Trump will finally strike a deal with India eventually or not.Tune in to gain a deeper understanding of the forces shaping today’s global economy and what lies ahead for nations caught in the “Tariff Roulette.”.
Ep. 35 – Space Wars: Are Satellites the New Weapons? with Dr. John Klein, Space Strategist and Adjunct Prof at GWU’s Space Policy Institute
In this episode of The Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri sits down with Dr. John Klein—space strategist, military theorist, and author of Fight for the Final Frontier—as part of our Future of War and Tech series. This episode marks our first deep dive into the space domain. Dr. Klein provides a strategic and historical lens to understand the shifting nature of space power. The conversation explores how commercial firms—now responsible for over 90% of spacecraft in orbit—are transforming the global space landscape, and what that means for governments, war-fighting, and deterrence. From anti-satellite tests and cyber attacks on satellite infrastructure to the critical role of geospatial intelligence in the Russia-Ukraine war, the episode highlights how space is already shaping today’s conflicts. Reflecting on maritime analogies, the risks of “mirror imaging,” and India’s evolving posture in this domain, this is a must-watch episode for anyone interested in space strategy and geopolitics.
Ep. 34 – Can AI Win Wars? Inside the US Military’s Project Maven, with Lt. Gen. Jack Shanahan, former head of Project Maven and director of the Pentagon’s Joint AI Center
In this week’s episode, we sit down with Lieutenant General Jack Shanahan, the first director of the Pentagon’s Joint Artificial Intelligence Center (JAIC) and former head of Project Maven, to unpack how AI is transforming the battlefield. Project Maven (officially called the Algorithmic Warfare Cross Functional Team) is a project undertaken by the Pentagon starting in 2017, involving using machine learning and data from multiple sources with the aim of identifying potential targets, among other things. The Maven Smart System has been used, among other situations, in the Russia – Ukraine context by the US to help Ukrainian forces. Gen. Shanahan shares what it took to bring AI into the Department of Defense, from fighting bureaucratic inertia to handling mountains of battlefield data. We dive into the Pentagon’s collaboration—and tensions—with private tech firms, the high-stakes AI race between the US and China, and the lessons emerging from Ukraine. We also explore how AI could change cyber warfare forever—and what these shifts mean for the future of global power.If you’re curious about how technology is reshaping war, strategy, and geopolitics, this conversation is for you.
Ep. 33 – The Dark Web Uncovered: Who are the World’s Deadliest Cyber Criminals? Ft. Geoff White, author and host of The Lazarus Heist
Join us in this episode of The Great Tech Game Podcast as we delve into the murky world of cybercrime with investigative journalist and author, Geoff White. We discuss why few states succeed in building effective military cyber forces, the evolution of ransomware into a national security crisis, and the actors behind major cybercrime networks. Geoff maps out where these networks function geographically and in cyberspace, and identifies both state and non-state cyber actors, including Russia’s ransomware economy, North Korea’s Lazarus group, and fraud networks in Southeast Asia and West Africa. We also explore how technology has revolutionized money laundering for the world’s deadliest crooks, as seen in Geoff latest book, ‘Rinsed,’ and touch on key geopolitical impacts, defense strategies, and the intersection of gaming and cybercrime.
Ep. 32 – Ransom Wars: Are States Losing Control of Cyberspace? Ft. Max Smeets, author of Ransom War
In the latest episode of The Great Tech Game podcast, cyber conflict expert Max Smeets—senior researcher at ETH Zurich and co-director of Virtual Routes—draws on his books “No Shortcuts” and “Ransom War” to explore why most states struggle to build effective cyber forces and how ransomware has become a major national security threat. He breaks down the contrasting cyber strategies of the US, China, and Russia, the rise of professionalized ransomware groups like Conti, and what it takes for governments to build capable cyber commands. A must-watch for anyone seeking to understand the evolving frontlines of cyber conflict.
Ep. 31 – Is India Ready for a High-Tech War with Pakistan And China? Ft. Lt. Gen. (R) RS Panwar and Lt. Gen. (R) Raj Shukla
This podcast episode features a discussion between host Anirudh Suri and two distinguished Indian Army veterans, Lt. Gen. RS Panwar (Signal Corps, specializing in technology and warfare) and Lt. Gen. Raj Shukla (Infantry, focusing on military futures and force modernization). The conversation analyzes the recent India-Pakistan standoff through the lens of technology, drawing lessons from the engagement and broader global conflicts (Russia-Ukraine, Israel-Gaza). Both experts emphasize the critical need for India to accelerate technological adoption and development in its military to address both Pakistan and the more significant challenge posed by China. Key themes include the evolving character of warfare driven by unmanned systems and precision weapons, the necessity of developing indigenous technological capabilities, the importance of a technology-minded military leadership, and the urgent need for structural reforms and investment in critical areas like AI, electronic warfare, and space-based capabilities.The conversation also explores the lessons learned for India’s future defense capabilities, highlighting the need for greater focus and investment in areas like artificial intelligence, electronic warfare, space-based technologies (particularly low-earth orbit constellations), and the development of a strong, innovative, indigenous technological ecosystem within the military and the private sector. The podcast discussion underscores the urgent need for a fundamental shift in India’s approach to military technology. Their message is clear: the time for debate is over; it is time for action.
Ep. 30 – Is Asia Taking Over from the West? Ft. Amb. Kishore Mahbubani
In this engaging episode, renowned diplomat and author Kishore Mahbubani discusses the evolving geopolitical landscape of Asia and the world. Highlighting key themes from his latest book, ‘Living the Asian Century,’ Kishore delves into the interplay between Western and Eastern values, China’s rapid rise, and the strategic dynamics between major global powers like the United States, China, and India. He shares insights on Singapore’s phenomenal success, ASEAN’s role in balancing global influence, and the necessity for multipolar governance in the current age. A must-watch for anyone interested in understanding the complexities of global politics and the shifting balance of power.
Ep. 29 – The Latest in Spycraft: Spy Satellites, Private Ops and More, Ft. Shashank Joshi of The Economist
In this episode of the Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri discusses with Shashank Joshi, defence editor at The Economist, the transformative impact of technology on espionage and global warfare. Shashank delves into how technological advancements, from synthetic aperture radar satellites to cloud computing to subsea cables, are reshaping the tools and practices of intelligence agencies. They explore the shift in the global tech infrastructure, the rise of new-age defense tech firms, and the growing integration of big tech companies with state defense mechanisms. Shashank provides insights into the implications of these changes for global power dynamics, touching on issues like cyber intelligence, autonomous weapon systems, and the future of warfare. Shashank and Anirudh also discuss how the Indian armed forces are approaching the adoption and invention of new technologies.
Ep. 28 – Former CIA Chief Gen. David Petraeus on Modern Warfare in Ukraine, Gaza and the Indo-Pacific
In this episode of the Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri welcomes Gen. David Petraeus, former CIA chief and a highly decorated military leader, as they break down how today’s hot wars including Ukraine and Gaza are likely to pan out.The discussion explores General Petraeus’s illustrious 37-year military career, including his command roles in Iraq and Afghanistan and his tenure as the director of the CIA. They delve into how technology is transforming warfare and how geopolitical and economic factors are interlinked. General Petraeus also discusses his co-authored book on the evolution of warfare, offering an invaluable perspective on strategic military leadership. The conversation further extends to current conflicts in Ukraine and the Middle East, evaluating their implications in the broader context of global geopolitics, especially in the U.S.-China dynamic. The episode culminates in an assessment of the growing importance of private defense tech companies in modern military structures.
Ep. 27 – Weaponising AI, Cyber and Space: The Next Frontier of War, Ft. Ylli Bajraktari of Special Competitive Studies Project (SCSP)
In this in-depth discussion, Ylli Bajraktari, the President and CEO of the Special Competitive Studies Project (SCSP), delves into how artificial intelligence (AI) is transforming global warfare and the strategic positioning of the United States and India. Yill’s insights stem from his extensive experience, including his tenure as Executive Director of the National Security Commission on AI, and his work with various US defense leaders. The conversation spans the evolution of AI in both administrative and military contexts, the emerging tech competition with China, and the critical role that US-India collaboration plays in maintaining technological and national security competitiveness. He emphasizes the need for strategic tech alliances, proactive governance in AI, and the integration of both hardware and software capabilities for India to stay ahead. Additionally, Yill touches upon the complexities of global governance in AI and presents a framework for international cooperation to navigate the competitive technology landscape.
Ep. 26 – The Geopolitics of Cyberspace: From Espionage to Cyberwar, Ft. Adam Segal of Council on Foreign Relations(CFR)
In this episode, Adam Segal, discusses the evolving landscape of cyber power, cyber warfare, and cyber espionage. He outlines key technological areas essential for future military and economic competitiveness, such as semiconductors, biology, new materials, and energy. Segal also examines the rise of Chinese and U.S. cyber capabilities, the impact of private sector involvement, the role of major state and non-state actors, and the current state of international cyber policy. He shares lessons from the Russia-Ukraine conflict and emphasizes the importance of maintaining technological control, a principle rooted in Chinese strategic thinking since the 19th century. Finally, he talks about the challenges and opportunities of U.S.-India cyber cooperation and the potential for different countries to build vibrant digital ecosystems.
Ep. 25 – Nehru’s Legacy and Modi’s Vision: India’s Economic Strategy, Ft. Prof. Arvind Panagariya, Chairman of India’s 16th Finance Commission
In this episode of the Great Tech Game Podcast, host Anirudh engages in an enlightening conversation with Professor Arvind Panagariya, chairman of the 16th Finance Commission of India and Professor of Indian Political Economy at Columbia University. They explore a wide array of topics including India’s historical and current economic policy strategies, the role of technology and innovation, and the challenges and opportunities in India’s trade policies. Professor Panagariya shares his extensive experience and insights on how India can leverage markets, enhance R&D, and navigate the complexities of global trade to ensure sustainable and inclusive economic growth. They delve into historical economic models, compare them with present-day policies, and discuss the impact of geopolitical dynamics on India’s economy. The episode concludes with a discussion on the future of job creation in the age of rapid technological advancements.
Ep. 24 – Will Global Inequality Ever End? Ft. Branko Milanovic, Global Economist and Author
This podcast conversation of The Great Tech Game with Anirudh Suri features Branco Milanovic, an expert on income inequality, discussing his work and global inequality trends.Milanovic’s book, “Capitalism Alone,” argues that capitalism is the only dominant economic system, with variations like liberal capitalism (US) and political capitalism (China). He also explores how socialist revolutions inadvertently paved the way for capitalism in some countries. His other book, “Visions of Inequality,” looks at how influential economists have viewed inequality.Milanovic discusses how to measure inequality, noting that the Gini coefficient is a powerful tool. He explains that while inequality within most rich countries has increased, global inequality between people has decreased due to the rise of Asia. However, if Africa does not develop, this trend could reverse.Geopolitics and technology also play a role. The relationship between the US and China and the rise of Asia are reshaping the global landscape. New technologies, like AI, could increase inequality. India’s influence is growing due to its non-aligned position and economic growth.In terms of policy, Milanovic notes that it is difficult to reduce inequality with government policy, though cash grant programs in Latin America are a potential example.
Ep. 23 – Will India be ‘The Breakout Nation’ this Decade? Ft. Ruchir Sharma, Chief Investment Officer of Rockefeller International
In this episode of the Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri engages in a comprehensive discussion with Ruchir Sharma, an author, fund manager and columnist for the Financial Times. Ruchir shares insights from his extensive career, spanning over 25 years at Morgan Stanley and his thought leadership in macroeconomics, geopolitics, and technology. Key topics include the shifting dynamics in global economies, particularly in emerging markets like India and Mexico, the impact of technological adoption on national success, and the evolving challenges and criticisms of modern capitalism. Ruchir also highlights the necessity for India to enhance its infrastructure, govern better, and embrace technology while balancing the role of government intervention.
Ep. 22 – Will India Avoid the Dreaded Middle Income Trap? Ft. Indermit Gill, Chief Economist of The World Bank Group
Join us for an in-depth exploration of India’s journey towards becoming a developed economy, featuring insights from Professor Indermit Gill, Chief Economist of the World Bank Group, and from our host Anirudh Suri. This episode delves into India’s potential in technology, energy, and socioeconomic mobility. Discover the shifts in global economic consensus, the concept of the middle-income trap, and the role of investment and innovation in economic growth. Examine case studies from successful countries, the importance of female labor participation, and the impact of AI on India’s future. The discussion also highlights India’s evolving trade policies, the necessity of diverse perspectives in policymaking, and the potential of expanding digital public infrastructure to key sectors. This comprehensive episode provides valuable strategies and recommendations for India’s sustainable economic advancement.
Ep. 21 – The Coup d’Tech: Are Tech Firms Pulling Off a Tech Coup? Ft. Marietje Schaake of Stanford University
In this episode of the Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri engages in a deep conversation with Marietje Schaak, International Policy Director at Stanford University’s Cyber Policy Center and a former member of the European Parliament. The discussion traverses the complex relationship between technology, geopolitics, and democracy. Marietje highlights the growing influence of big tech firms and their impact on state sovereign functions. She raises concerns about the balance of power, the role of AI, and the urgency for new regulations. They explore historical parallels with colonial enterprises and the concept of digital sovereignty. Marietje underscores the need for transparency, accountability, and informed legislative bodies to protect democratic values in the digital age. They discuss the possibility of a unified democratic response and contemplate the future of AI’s regulatory landscape.
Ep. 20 – Big Cities: Will They Make or Break our World’s Future? Ft. Ian Goldin of Oxford University
In this episode of the Great Tech Game podcast, the host Anirud Suri welcomes Professor Ian Goldin, an esteemed academic and thought leader, to discuss his views on the intersection of technology, geopolitics, business, and global affairs. Professor Goldin shares his evolution in macro thinking over the past few decades and reflects on his experiences spanning academia, major organizations, and advisory roles to world leaders like Nelson Mandela. The discussion delves into the impact of globalization, technological advancements, and the future of cities. It also explores the current and future trends in global migration and the lessons drawn from historical analogies such as the Renaissance to today’s technological era. The episode touches on the importance of long-term thinking and the notion of ‘coalitions of the working’ to address global issues.
Ep. 19 – Is China’s Growth Story Over? Ft. Michael Pettis of Peking University
In this episode of the Great Tech Game podcast, Anirudh Suri welcomes Professor Michael Pettis, a finance professor at Peking University and a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment. The discussion spans topics such as the structural issues in the Chinese economy, global economic imbalances, and the evolution of trade policies. Pettis explains the historical context of economic development, the pitfalls of high savings and investment models, and the necessity of transitioning to a higher consumption model. He argues that China’s current economic malaise stems from structural issues rather than political missteps by Xi Jinping. They also delve into the implications of decoupling efforts, the emergence of a new international economic order, and the lessons developing countries like India and Vietnam can learn. Pettis emphasizes the need for balanced trade and cautions against unregulated capital flows, advocating for a restructured global trade system to address imbalances.
Ep. 18 – Is Globalization Dead? Feat. Adam Posen, President, The Peterson Institute of International Economics
In this episode of the Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Adam Posen, president of the Peterson Institute for International Economics. They delve into the shifting global economic landscape, examining the impact of technology and geopolitics on economic growth. Posen offers deep insights into the ‘corrosion of globalization,’ national champions, and U.S.-China economic relations. The discussion also highlights the emerging resilience and autonomy of countries like India, Brazil, Indonesia, and Mexico, as they navigate macroeconomic policies amidst global challenges such as interest rate hikes and inflation. Additionally, the episode touches on the implications of U.S. economic nationalism for Mexico and potential initiatives like the BRICS Bank. To conclude, Posen shares his book recommendations and suggests guests for future episodes, promising further insights into economics and geopolitics.
Ep. 17 – Navigating a Post-Globalized World, feat. Rana Faroohar of the Financial Times
In this episode of the Great Tech Game podcast, Anirudh Suri welcomes Rana Faroohar, the Global Business Columnist and Associate Editor at the Financial Times and CNN’s Global Economic Analyst. Rana discusses the major themes of her three books, which cover the intersection of politics, economics, and technology over the last several decades. She shares her perspective on how the global economy has evolved and the shifts in political and economic power across continents. The conversation dives into the impact of globalization, the concentration of power in finance and tech sectors, and the future of industrial policies. A key focus is on the evolving U.S.-China economic dynamics and the need for nations to adapt their strategies amidst rapid technological changes, Rana’s insights on practical advice for policymakers and book recommendations for further reading on these subjects.
Ep. 16 – Reimagining our World’s Economic Priorities, feat. Prof. Angus Deaton, Nobel Laureate in Economics
In this thought-provoking episode of The Great Tech Game Podcast, host Anirudh Suri welcomes Nobel Laureate and renowned economist Angus Deaton. They dive deep into the challenges facing the American economy, focusing on inequality, the impacts of opioid epidemics, the decline of trade unions, and the role of globalization. Angus shares insights from his latest book “Economics in America,” discusses the implications of current economic policies, and expresses concerns over the future of capitalism and global warming. This episode is a must-listen for those interested in the intersection of technology, economics, geopolitics, and the direction of international affairs.
Ep. 15 – The World in Flux: The Fall of the Neoliberal Order and the Rise of Culture Wars, feat. Prof. Gary Gerstle of Cambridge
In this episode of the Great Tech Game podcast, the host Anirudh Suri engages in an in-depth conversation with Professor Gary Gerstle, they discuss the formation and dissolution of political orders, focusing on the New Deal and neoliberal orders, and explore how current global dynamics, particularly the rise of China and India, impact the U.S. political landscape. They delve into the potential shift of the U.S. towards a more state-driven model, the challenges of authoritarianism, and what the future holds for globalization, migration, and class conflict. The discussion also covers the evolving relationship between states and corporations, the populist revolt against cosmopolitanism, Political Order, and the complexities of managing global tech giants. Professor Gerstle provides an analytical framework for understanding these transitions, drawing from his extensive work on political economy and history.
Ep. 14 – Which are the most digitally competitive nations in the world?, feat. Prof. Bhaskar Chakravorti of The Fletcher School at Tufts University
In an insightful conversation, Bhaskar Chakravorti and host Anirudh Suri discuss the profound impact of artificial intelligence (AI) and the digital economy on global growth and India’s future. Exploring the transformative capabilities of AI in various sectors such as healthcare, education, and agriculture, they highlight its potential in driving competitiveness, economic growth, and job creation at an unprecedented rate. Special attention is given to the challenges and opportunities India faces in leveraging AI for societal benefits, including the importance of public and private sector collaboration, digital competitiveness, and the strategic approach towards AI innovation for a broad-based, inclusive digital transformation. The conversation also emphasizes the necessity of understanding the digital economy through tools like the Digital Evolution Index and the success of India’s digital public infrastructure as a foundation for future advancements.
Ep. 13 – Will the Tech World Play by Europe’s Rules?, feat. Prof. Anu Bradford of Columbia University
Hosted by Anirudh with Anu Bradford, this episode of the Great Tech Game podcast delves into the intricate landscape of technology, geopolitics, and regulation. Bradford, a renowned scholar at Columbia Law School and author of crucial works like ‘The Brussels Effect’ and ‘Digital Empires’, explores the overwhelming power of tech companies and their consequential failure to govern responsibly. The conversation spans the divergent digital regulation models of the US, China, and the European Union, reflecting on their ideological, cultural, and political bases. Bradford and Anirudh discuss the dynamic evolution of tech regulation, the enduring geopolitical tensions in the US-China tech war, additionally, they assess India’s unique digital public infrastructure approach, suggested as a distinct, hybrid model from the major ‘digital empires’.
Ep. 12 – Underground Empires: Using Economic Networks for Geopolitical Goals, feat. Prof. Abraham Newman of Georgetown University
This episode of the ‘Great Tech Game’ podcast features a discussion with Abe Newman, professor at Georgetown University and the co-head of the Mortara Center for International Studies. Professor Newman is also the author of ‘The Underground Empire,’ a book examining how the U.S. has harnessed the global economy as a tool for weaponized interdependence. The conversation delves into the evolving dynamics of geopolitics, technology, and the economy, addressing how countries, particularly the U.S., have leveraged economic networks and infrastructure as means of coercion and surveillance.
Notable topics include the role of companies like SWIFT, TSMC, and Huawei as participants in global economic strategies, the historical precedents of using economic networks for geopolitical ends, and the challenges posed by the entanglement of rivalry and interdependence in current international relations. The discussion underscores the need for a more nuanced economic security state capable of managing the existing interplay between security and economics, while suggesting a trend towards a potentially multipolar world order.
Ep. 11 – Will the Power of Capital be Eclipsed by Technology, feat. Sebastian Mallaby of Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)
In this episode, host Anirudh Suri and guest Sebastian Mallaby unravel the intricate dynamics of capital’s rise to power in the modern world. From colorful characters in capitalism’s history to parallels between historic adventure capitalism and today’s venture capitalism, they explore it all. Dive into the tug of war between financiers and governments, analyze the evolution of hedge funds and venture capital, and ponder the globalization of the VC industry. Are we witnessing a shift from Wall Street to Silicon Valley? Will rising inequality lead to global conflict? Join the conversation on the future of AI, competition versus monopolies, and the geopolitical risks of a multipolar world. Don’t miss out on this insightful exploration of the forces shaping our world today.
Sebastian Christopher Peter Mallaby is a prominent English journalist and author renowned for his expertise in international economics. Currently serving as the Paul A. Volcker senior fellow for international economics at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Mallaby also contributes as a columnist to The Washington Post. Among his notable literary contributions are “The Man Who Knew” (2016), “More Money Than God” (2010), and “The World’s Banker” (2004), solidifying his reputation as a leading authority in the field of economics and global finance.
Ep. 10 – The Future of AI: Unravelling its Global Implications, feat. George Lee of Goldman Sachs
In this episode, Anirudh Suri and guest, George Lee, delve into the convergence of technology, geopolitics, business, and innovation through the lens of the emerging generative AI revolution. They discuss the current landscape of global AI competition, highlighting the US’s early lead, China’s formidable presence, and the potential contributions of other nations, including India’s open data approach.
Lee, from his position as member of the Management COmmittee at Goldman Sachs, shares insights on the formation of the Applied Innovation Group, aimed at driving thought leadership and innovation within the firm, motivated by the seismic shifts in geopolitics and technology. The conversation also explores the geopolitical ‘AI swing states,’ the influence of open vs. closed source AI models, and the historical parallels that might help predict the future of AI’s impact on business models and economic growth. Throughout, they underscore the necessity of conscious technology development that augments human potential and fosters equitable growth, while also considering the implications of AI on job market dynamics, the importance of broad AI adoption, and strategies nations might employ during these formative ‘Inter AI years’ to secure their place in the future AI-driven world.
Ep. 9 – The Geopolitics of Energy and Climate Transition, feat. Prof. Helen Thompson
In this episode of the Great Tech Game podcast, Anirudh Suri talks to Prof. Helen Thompson, one of the leading experts on geopolitics and political economy. They discuss how the geopolitics is likely to shape the outcomes of national elections in 2024 (and vice versa), the worrying trends around populism, nativism and nationalism, and how climate and energy transitions are shaping the global order and the future of international relations.
Prof. Thompson shares invaluable insights on key global topics. From the potential impact of the 2024 US presidential election on global power dynamics to the intricate interplay between domestic politics and foreign policy in major nations like the US and China, we delve deep into the forces shaping our world. Discover how Middle East dynamics, populism, and nationalism are reshaping political discourse worldwide, and gain a nuanced understanding of the evolution of these ideologies in the 21st century compared to their 20th-century counterparts. Drawing parallels between leaders like Trump and Julius Caesar and exploring the complex relationships between technological supremacy, energy security, and the transition to renewable energy, this discussion offers a comprehensive view of today’s geopolitical landscape.
Ep. 8 – Global AI Leadership: The Four Key Battlegrounds in Artificial Intelligence, feat. Paul Scharre
In this in-depth discussion on the Great Tech Game podcast, Paul Scharre fshares interesting insights on the state of global competition in Artificial Intelligence (AI). The conversation revolves around the four key battlegrounds of AI – data, computing hardware (or computer chips), human talent and institutions. They also touch upon the role of various countries such as the US, China, and India in this competition, as well as the need for global AI governance.
Paul Scharre, the Executive Vice President and Director of Studies at CNAS. He’s a distinguished author, receiving accolades for his book “Four Battlegrounds: Power in the Age of Artificial Intelligence.” His groundbreaking work, “Army of None: Autonomous Weapons and the Future of War,” not only clinched the 2019 Colby Award but also made it to Bill Gates’ top five books of 2018. Recognized by TIME magazine in 2023 as one of the “100 most influential people in AI,” Scharre’s expertise offers a deep dive into understanding modern warfare
Ep. 7 – National Strategies to Win the Chip War and the Geopolitics of Semiconductors, feat. Chris Miller
Chris Miller, author of Chip War (FT Business Book of the Year 2022), joins host Anirudh Suri to discuss the geopolitics of the global semi-conductor industry and the national strategies being adopted by countries like the US, China, EU (France, Germany and Netherlands), Taiwan, Japan, Korea, and India. They also explore the role of universities, government policies, and business investment in shaping the global semiconductor landscape.
Key questions that Chris and Anirudh delve into: What will it take for nations to succeed in the Chip War? How can nations start to build their competitive advantage? What are the gaps in the current approaches being adopted by governments? What are the national strategies being adopted by the key players – the US, China, Europe, Japan, Taiwan, S. Korea and India? What should India’s game plan focus on? How will geopolitics shape the chip industry in the coming years? Will the US’ export controls against China be effective, or will they backfire?
Ep. 6 – The World in 2050: Looking Back to Look Ahead, feat. Hamish McRae
In this episode of #TheGreatTechGame podcast, renowned British journalist and prominent European futurist, Hamish McRae joins host Anirudh Suri as they delve into what the world will look like in 2050, by examining how history has played out over the last few centuries. This fascinating, big picture discussion revolves around the rapid evolution of technology, particularly artificial intelligence, and its potential impact on the world economies up to 2050, with a focus on countries like the U.S., China, and India.
Ep. 5 – From America to Meta: The Geopolitics of Empires, Old and New, feat. Daniel Immerwahr
In this episode of #TheGreatTechGame podcast, host Anirudh Suri is joined by Prof. Daniel Immerwahr to discuss the geopolitics of empires. From America to Meta, empires, old and new, have often learnt from previous empires, yet incorporated new characteristics and narratives to justify their existence with the times.
What did the US learn from the empires that came before it? Are tech firms also empires in hiding? Is data grab the new land grab? Who will win the tug of war between states and tech firms? How is technology shaping geopolitics today? And are we still really prisoners of geography?
Ep. 4 – How did the United States rise to become a Global Power?, feat. John Steele Gordon
In this episode of The Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri is joined by John Steele Gordon, to discuss how the United States rose to become a global power, what the US empire looked like, and what it learnt from the empires that came before it.
Ep. 3 – Big Tech Firms vs Nation-States: What History Teaches Us, feat. Prof. Phil Stern
In this episode of The Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri is joined by Phil Stern, professor of history at Duke University, to dive into the history of colonial corporations such as East India Company and what that might teach us about how the current tug of war between nation-states and big tech firms such as Apple and Google might play out.
Ep. 2 (Part 2) – How do some societies get rich, successful and creative? Feat. Prof. Joel Mokyr
In Part 2 of this two-part episode of The Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri is joined by Joel Mokyr to dig deep into why some societies get rich, creative and successful while others don’t. Mokyr describes the uniqueness of the European experience that leads to the Industrial Revolution, and derives key insights to explain how a culture of nonconformism can be encouraged in a society. Mokyr and Suri discuss examples of countries that have unshackled themselves from their past, such as 19th century Japan during the Meiji Restoration and the East Asian tigers. They also explore how India can reverse its brain drain and become a tech nation, and not remain just a talent nation.
Ep. 2 (Part 1) – How do some societies get rich, successful and creative? Feat. Prof. Joel Mokyr
In the first of this two-part episode of The Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri is joined by Joel Mokyr to dig deep into why some societies get rich, creative and successful while others don’t. Mokyr and Suri delve into history to answer this big question, explore the great games in history, including why the Roman Empire and the Chinese hit a ceiling in their growth.Arguing that knowledge and technology augment other factors of production such as land, labour and capital, Mokyr outlines why technology and useful knowledge can be expected to drive growth for long periods to come.
Ep. 1 – How Nations Can Succeed in the Age of AI? Feat. Prof. Daron Acemoglu
In the opening episode of The Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri is joined by Daron Acemoglu to discuss how nations can succeed in the age of AI. In this episode, Suri and Acemoglu have a wide-ranging conversation to set the stage for the rest of the podcast. They discuss Acemoglu’s books, dissect the concept of the Great Games in history, delve into the capabilities that are required to win across all Great Games, debate whether human creativity will remain relevant in the age of AI, and much more.
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The Great Tech Game Podcast is the perfect podcast for you. Host Anirudh Suri, a tech venture capitalist, policy advisor, and bestselling author of The Great Tech Game, brings you smart, insightful conversations at the intersection of tech and geopolitics. Listen to the carefully curated line up of the world’s best thinkers on these themes. They will help you see the big picture, and in the process, understand how to get ahead in a world thats constantly being upended by technology and geopolitics.
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